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| + Pyrus | Jan 19 2014, 02:25 AM Post #16 |
 
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I've always been of the mindset that he could still transform into a Super Saiyan after the ritual, but there was no point to it. His power had all been unlocked in his natural state and transforming would yield no power boost and simply put a bit of strain on his body. Once he entered into his post-ritual state with the kiai, he never regressed. He looked the same from that point until the manga ended, even after having been beaten, battered, and knocked out cold, which usually undoes a Saiyan's current transformation (barring Oozaru). Toei's productions are a different matter. They do seem to think it was a transformation that he could go in and out of, as Movie 13 showed. Battle of Gods, I don't know if that really showed him having to transform into it more than just flare up his aura to be battle ready, though I don't remember that scene too well. GT, of course, took back Super Saiyan because it was probably cooler than never having a gold-haired Gohan again (I don't think he lost the post-ritual power there either). |
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| wolfie | Jan 19 2014, 02:30 AM Post #17 |
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But this form is NOT a ssj transformation, we see quite a few other transformations that they dont revert back, My question is, if its his base, and the guy unlocked it, why dose he have to "power up" to get to it? He should at least have an idea of how much it is, if it was his base. a base level, is by definition something you always have, can sense, can get to, no extra thing needed. Powering up imo and asking how to "access it" proves to me its not his base. Edited by wolfie, Jan 19 2014, 02:33 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 19 2014, 02:33 AM Post #18 |
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When Elder Kaioshin is against transforming, you tell me. Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3 Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’ Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…” Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…” |
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| wolfie | Jan 19 2014, 02:39 AM Post #19 |
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I'm not saying its a transformation I guess, but its not his base. He has to "power up to it" if anything I'd say its a technique. After all why would he have to "go ssj" to unlock it? makes no sense, unless the pros secs to using it is similar to going ssj Edited by wolfie, Jan 19 2014, 02:40 AM.
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 19 2014, 02:55 AM Post #20 |
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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Gohan didn't receive the obvious physical change until after he "went Super Saiyan" when Rou Dai Kaioshin told him to. This physical appearance did not subside through out the rest of the series (even ten years later), therefore I don't think there's any reason to believe that it wasn't a permanent change. If this state was indeed "temporary" like Super Saiyan is, as you claim, it doesn't make sense for him to be in this state ten years later when he's in his library in his house. There's absolutely no logic or purpose to that argument at all. The only plausible explanation is that this new physical state was a permanent change, and this appearance became his natural state, since we never see him revert from it. He would still need to power up to reach his full power, but he has no transformations, and has no need for them. You also seem to be misunderstanding that the reason why Rou Dai Kaioshin gave him this form was so that he could use his latent powers without the need of transformations. Transformations may indeed give you more power by unlocking reserves that you can't use in base, but they will always be inferior to base because physical strain in transformed states will always exist. There's no way around it. However, there is no strain in your natural (base) state because it is your natural state. What Rou Dai Kaioshin's ritual did was unlock all these latent reserves so that he's able to use all his powers without putting strain on his body by transforming. When he "tranformed", that was the final step in unlocking that massive reserve of hidden ki. The resulting "transformation" was not so much a transformation as much as it was an activation of inert ki that had been recently awakened. This "activation" became his natural state, and now he's fully able to use all his ki without the need of inferior transformations. If strain exists, you will never be able to use your absolute fullest power. The strain itself is a weakness, even if you're stronger over-all. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 19 2014, 03:13 AM.
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| wolfie | Jan 19 2014, 03:11 AM Post #21 |
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Maybe I'm confused but if he changed, is that not a transformation? I never even noticed he did change... |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 19 2014, 03:20 AM Post #22 |
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In a way it is a transformation, but it also wasn't. All transformations, as far as our understanding goes, causes strain in the user, while Gohan's new state doesn't because it becomes a natural state. That's the difference between the two. As I made the comparison before, it's similar to Cell's forms. His perfect state is not a transformation, but a metamorphosis. A metamorphosis is a natural change that his body goes through in response to something, in this case, absorbing the Androids. In Gohan's case, it was getting his ki unlocked. There is no strain attached to these forms because they are natural states for these characters to be in, and they can't consciously revert because this is both their weakest and strongest state. |
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| Divine Saiya-jin | Jan 19 2014, 09:25 AM Post #23 |
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It is his base and its not a form. It's Gohans full potential revealed in his base form. Just like him powering up before SSJ existed except this time he has access to all his latent power without the need of transformation. He is the ultimate goal or perfection all saiyans should strive for.
Edited by Divine Saiya-jin, Jan 19 2014, 09:27 AM.
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